After the game the other day, I’m not convinced I should be taking my expensive Straken blob squad to a tourney.
I mean, I’m not a WAAC guy, but if I know something's going to get me killed, and threes a perfectly fluffy way round it, why not, eh?
The core fluff Idea behind my army comes from that Abnett ghosts book where they are heading to the Saint’s shrine. I fell in love with the idea of an IG armoured column of vets, – its evolved over time to have some scout elements such as the snipers and the walkers, and some air cav support in the form of elysians, but it’s essentially still intact, fluffwise.
I think this alternative list still would be too, but without the expensive and possibly weakening HQ
Cadian Chimera Flamer Vets (13#, 297 pts)
1 Ministorum Priest (Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Rosarius; Shotgun; Eviscerator; Independent Character; Righteous Fury)
1 Primaris Psyker (Psyker; Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Refractor Field; Force Weapon; Laspistol; Independent Character; It's For Your Own Good; Lightning Arc; Nightshroud)
9 Veteran Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x9; Shotgun x6; Flamer x2; Heavy Flamer)
1 Veteran Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon)
1 Chimera ((IA1, pg. 128); Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Turret Multi-Laser; Heavy Flamer; Amphibious; Mobile Command Vehicle)
Cadian Chimera Plasma Vets (11#, 195 pts)
7 Veteran Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x7; Lasgun x4; Plasmagun x3)
1 Veteran Heavy Weapon Team (Missile Launcher; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1; Krak Grenades)
1 Veteran Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon; Plasma Pistol)
1 Chimera ((IA1, pg. 128); Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Turret Multi-Laser; Heavy Flamer; Amphibious; Mobile Command Vehicle)
Elysian drop troops flamer (11#, 215 pts)
9 Veteran Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x9; Shotgun x6; Flamer x3)
1 Veteran Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon)
1 Vendetta Gunship Squadron @ 130 pts (Deep Strike; Grav Chute Insertion; Scouts)
1 Vendetta (Extra Armor; Searchlight; Twin-linked Lascannon x3)
Elysian drop troops plasma (11#, 315 pts)
7 Veteran Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Carapace Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x7; Lasgun x4; Plasmagun x3; Grenadiers)
1 Veteran Heavy Weapon Team (Missile Launcher; Frag Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1; Carapace Armour (Based on Squad); Carapace Armour (Based on Squad); Krak Grenades)
1 Veteran Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Carapace Armour; Close Combat Weapon; Plasma Pistol)
1 Valkyrie Assault Carrier Squadron @ 145 pts (Deep Strike; Grav Chute Insertion; Scouts)
1 Valkyrie (Extra Armor; Searchlight; Lascannon; Multiple Rocket Pods x2)
Elite: Storm Trooper Squad (5#, 105 pts)
4 Storm Trooper Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Carapace Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x4; Hot-shot Lasgun x2; Hot-shot Laspistol x4; Meltagun x2; Special Operations)
1 Storm Trooper Sergeant (Carapace Armour; Close Combat Weapon; Frag Grenades; Hot-shot Lasgun x1; Hot-shot Laspistol x1; Krak Grenades)
Heavy Support: Leman Russ Squadron (1#, 190 pts)
1 Leman Russ Squadron 1 Leman Russ Executioner (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Executioner Plasma Cannon; Heavy Bolter; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Lumbering Behemoth)
Heavy Support: Leman Russ Squadron (1#, 200 pts)
1 Leman Russ Squadron
1 Leman Russ Battle Tank (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Battle Cannon; Heavy Bolter; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Knight Commander Pask; Lumbering Behemoth)
1 Knight Commander Pask
Heavy Support: Hydra Flak Tank Battery (2#, 150 pts)
1 Hydra Flak Tank Battery
1 Hydra Flak Tank (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Auto-targeting System; Heavy Bolter; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin-Linked Hydra Autocannons x2)
1 Hydra Flak Tank (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Auto-targeting System; Heavy Bolter; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin-Linked Hydra Autocannons x2)
Fast Attack: Scout Sentinel Squadron (2#, 80 pts)
1 Scout Sentinel Squadron
1 Scout Sentinel (Unit Type: Vehicle (Walker, Open-topped); Autocannon; Move Through Cover; Scouts)
1 Scout Sentinel (Unit Type: Vehicle (Walker, Open-topped); Autocannon; Move Through Cover; Scouts)
Total Roster Cost: 1747
What’s changed? well this list has the expensive Straken HQ that literally did nothing last game but kill a fire warrior squad. part of that as where i’d put it, but it reminded me why i dont really like death stars.
It swaps the demolisher for a MBT with pask at the helm, removing the unreliability of that scatter at 24”. Yes i have had it blow one of it’s own sponsons off.
much more to the point, it gains another scoring unit, and keeping the priest, with a PW sgt and the FW on the primaris, means it still has some CC punch.
I retained the sentinels, cos lets face it, it wouldn't be much of a scout force without the only codex unit with “scout” in it’s title would it?
the only real loss seems to be the astropath, if i reserve anything my advantage is gone, but I can live with that. In higher value games I’ll make a static CC with astropath MoO and a mortar.
So, anyone out there got thoughts, is this a stronger list? does it look like I am sacrificing my fluff to go this way?
I’ll be honest, I've wanted an excuse to buy hydras for a long time, I play Tau and Eldar a lot :)
Addendum…
I scheduled this post the other day, and since have continued to trim the fat from the list, then use that fat to buy toys..
Cadian Chimera Flamer Vets (12#, 235 pts)
1 Primaris Psyker (Psyker; Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Refractor Field; Force Weapon; Laspistol; Independent Character; It's For Your Own Good; Lightning Arc; Nightshroud)
9 Veteran Squad pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x9; Shotgun x6; Flamer x2; Heavy Flamer)
1 Veteran Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Laspistol; Power Weapon)
1 Chimera ((IA1, pg. 128); Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Turret Multi-Laser; Heavy Flamer; Amphibious; Mobile Command Vehicle)
Cadian Chimera Plasma Vets (11#, 170 pts)
9 Veteran Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x9; Lasgun x6; Plasmagun x3)
1 Veteran Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon)
1 Chimera ((IA1, pg. 128); Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Turret Multi-Laser; Heavy Flamer; Amphibious; Mobile Command Vehicle)
Elysian drop troops plasma/flamer in Vendettas (22#, 470 pts)
9 Veteran Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x7; Lasgun x4; Plasmagun x3)
1 Veteran Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon)
9 Veteran Squad (Unit Type: Infantry; Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x9; Lasgun x6; Grenade Launcher x3)
1 Veteran Sergeant (Flak Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon; Plasma Pistol)
1 Vendetta Gunship Squadron (Deep Strike; Grav Chute Insertion; Scouts)
1 Vendetta (Extra Armor; Searchlight; Twin-linked Lascannon x3)
1 Vendetta (Extra Armor; Searchlight; Twin-linked Lascannon x3)
Heavy Support: Leman Russ Squadron (1#, 205 pts)
1 Leman Russ Squadron @ 205 pts
1 Leman Russ Executioner (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Executioner Plasma Cannon; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Lascannon; Lumbering Behemoth)
Heavy Support: Leman Russ Squadron (1#, 215 pts)
1 Leman Russ Squadron @ 200 pts
1 Leman Russ Battle Tank (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Battle Cannon; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Lascannon; Knight Commander Pask; Lumbering Behemoth)
1 Knight Commander Pask
Heavy Support: Hydra Flak Tank Battery (2#, 150 pts)
1 Hydra Flak Tank Battery @ 150 pts
1 Hydra Flak Tank (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Auto-targeting System; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin-Linked Hydra Autocannons x2; Heavy Flamer)
1 Hydra Flak Tank (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Auto-targeting System; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Twin-Linked Hydra Autocannons x2; Heavy Flamer)
Fast Attack: Scout Sentinel Squadron (2#, 80 pts)
1 Scout Sentinel Squadron @ 80 pts
1 Scout Sentinel (Unit Type: Vehicle (Walker, Open-topped); Autocannon; Move Through Cover; Scouts)
1 Scout Sentinel (Unit Type: Vehicle (Walker, Open-topped); Autocannon; Move Through Cover; Scouts)
Fast Attack: Hellhound Squadron (1#, 120 pts)
1 Hellhound Squadron @ 120 pts
1 Devil Dog (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank, Fast); Melta Cannon; Heavy Flamer)
Elite: Storm Trooper Squad (5#, 105 pts)
4 Storm Trooper Squad @ 105 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Carapace Armour; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x4; Hot-shot Lasgun x2; Hot-shot Laspistol x4; Meltagun x2; Special Operations)
1 Storm Trooper Sergeant (Carapace Armour; Close Combat Weapon; Frag Grenades; Hot-shot Lasgun x1; Hot-shot Laspistol x1; Krak Grenades)
Total Roster Cost: 1750
By dropping the priest (why would I be in CC without Straken? really?) and a few plasma pistols and a missile launcher I claw back enough points for a devil dog (or other variant)
I’m not sure now If I'm actually improving the list or just finding ways to fit more vehicles in :)
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